thanks for the tip, I'm in the process of revising my process so I'll apply this to my future builds. presently I'm trying to solve why my models render so poorly in Poser, so I've been testing & rebuilding them,my current theory is less pieces=better design=better model not really having formal training I went about them with an assemblage mentality when I should've embraced extrusion sooner. I'm also very concerned by file size due to the sheer scale of my large ship & that keeps factoring into it's design as well. it is clear I would benefit from training & better equipment, I'm looking into a kickstarter campaign to acquire: a new cpu with at least a tera-byte, better graphics card, Bongo & training, t-splines and training, and I have Adobe AI/PS CS5 I just need to learn it. I would also get Maya if possible, down the road. but my short goal must be reached 1st of selling my models to the Poser/Daz communities,to generate capitol. on an uptick I've started building my web page for 3Dv8ion.com!!